GA - Please clarify
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- Madelyne
- Magister
Is crash-warping considered acceptable or unacceptable?
Is blast-warping considered acceptable or unacceptable?
Are either of these offenses that would cause a player to lose their account?
My hope is that you can give direct answers on these two specific techniques. I am not asking you to reveal a list of ALL offenses, as I agree that this might give some people bad ideas. But these are well-known techniques that work within the existing program without device modifications. I think I speak for most people that we don't really care what the answer is, we just want to know so we can adjust our gameplay accordingly.
Thank you.
Is blast-warping considered acceptable or unacceptable?
Are either of these offenses that would cause a player to lose their account?
My hope is that you can give direct answers on these two specific techniques. I am not asking you to reveal a list of ALL offenses, as I agree that this might give some people bad ideas. But these are well-known techniques that work within the existing program without device modifications. I think I speak for most people that we don't really care what the answer is, we just want to know so we can adjust our gameplay accordingly.
Thank you.
Edited by Madelyne (June 9, 2012 19:46:47)
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- DoMortas
- Enlightened
Good luck, GA has yet to clarify anything we have asked for.. Either they don't know, or just plain don't care..
And they loose more and more long time players every day, but I guess they don't care about that either..
And they loose more and more long time players every day, but I guess they don't care about that either..
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- Justine
- Magister
Madelyne,
it's great you're asking on the forums, and you've asked so clearly. Sadly I doubt you'll get a reply.
Like me, I expect you've seen people ask this in statuses with GA staff. The ones I've seen got the non-answers of 'we published a policy', which doesn't help, and the vague 'if you make the game think you are where you're not' - could've fooled me, but isn't that why we have the "warp" spell?
I have been crash warping for months. I don't think it's dodgy in any way. The game isn't MEANT to crash (believe it or not), so you're not circumventing part of the way the game works.
Regarding blast-warping - I've tried it three or four times. It seems more like an exploit of some sort of bug or programming choice, but only in the sense multi-warding is one, too, and so is leap-frogging. These start to challenge our definition of cheating. If it's something both teams can do, that only requires one account, that doesn't involve breaking the ToS...should we feel bad about doing them? If they start to ban people for blast warping they should ban people for leapfrogging too.
I don't think the bans are anything to do with blast warping or crash warping. Either people have been banned for doing bad stuff and are lying to make themselves look good, or there have been genuine mistakes with innocent players being banned, and the accused are clutching at straws trying to understand why they might've been banned.
it's great you're asking on the forums, and you've asked so clearly. Sadly I doubt you'll get a reply.
Like me, I expect you've seen people ask this in statuses with GA staff. The ones I've seen got the non-answers of 'we published a policy', which doesn't help, and the vague 'if you make the game think you are where you're not' - could've fooled me, but isn't that why we have the "warp" spell?
I have been crash warping for months. I don't think it's dodgy in any way. The game isn't MEANT to crash (believe it or not), so you're not circumventing part of the way the game works.
Regarding blast-warping - I've tried it three or four times. It seems more like an exploit of some sort of bug or programming choice, but only in the sense multi-warding is one, too, and so is leap-frogging. These start to challenge our definition of cheating. If it's something both teams can do, that only requires one account, that doesn't involve breaking the ToS...should we feel bad about doing them? If they start to ban people for blast warping they should ban people for leapfrogging too.
I don't think the bans are anything to do with blast warping or crash warping. Either people have been banned for doing bad stuff and are lying to make themselves look good, or there have been genuine mistakes with innocent players being banned, and the accused are clutching at straws trying to understand why they might've been banned.
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- DoMortas
- Enlightened
Justine
and the accused are clutching at straws trying to understand why they might've been banned.
Exactly the point, "trying to understand" The point is nobody knows if it can get you banned or not, or what can get you banned... For all we know, there could be apps that mistakenly make it look like you are cheating... One of the apps I worked on had that problem with Slacker Radio.. ended up unbanning a lot of accounts and admitting there was a mistake... Something I highly doubt GA would ever do..
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- Emika
- Enlightened
Blast warping is when you chain cast a U at an enemy dom right before you destroy it.
Have you ever crashed, logged back in, and magically you're surronded by mages or entities that aren't really in your realm? Well, if warp to any of the above, it turns out that you will magically appear in that realm without having to travel through a beacon.
It's really fun, but some oppose of the act...
Have you ever crashed, logged back in, and magically you're surronded by mages or entities that aren't really in your realm? Well, if warp to any of the above, it turns out that you will magically appear in that realm without having to travel through a beacon.
It's really fun, but some oppose of the act...
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- PleaseListen
- Acolyte
Perhaps it will help GA to understand why we ask this question - why we're confused. The issue is that the game strongly rewards developing excellent timing skills for dodging enemy war chants and that same timing skill is rewarded for warping to destroyed structures. So if you mean to encourage the first and discourage the second, you better say so. And you'd better come up with a reason other than, "our client server architecture has race conditions that can be exploited to the player's advantage and we don't know how to fix it."
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- Seldon
- Grandmaster
PleaseListen
Perhaps it will help GA to understand why we ask this question - why we're confused. The issue is that the game strongly rewards developing excellent timing skills for dodging enemy war chants and that same timing skill is rewarded for warping to destroyed structures. So if you mean to encourage the first and discourage the second, you better say so. And you'd better come up with a reason other than, "our client server architecture has race conditions that can be exploited to the player's advantage and we don't know how to fix it."
+1
GA, playing "guess what we're thinking" is despicable.
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- FeRaLcHiLdE2
- Archmage
PleaseListen
the game strongly rewards developing excellent timing skills for dodging enemy war chants and that same timing skill is rewarded
Indeed, the in-game physics are constantly being explored and exploited by thousands of players who learn to master this virtual environment. Of course the development of the game would not forsee full future use of these physics. It takes hundreds of hours of resourceful play to master it all. Should we be punished for said mastery? No.
A list of skills I use regularly that may not have been intended but are a function of the virtual physics:
Leapfrogging, domwalking, wardwalking, cloud view dodging, dewarp banishment to avoid giving points to enemies, intentional warp maneuvers designed to control the randomness of the algorithm, warping away from spirits and returning so they forget to attack me, jumping globally purely through cloud view since the beacon list fails to show all of my friends' beacons, warping out of a ward's range to avoid damage and watching the Shadow of it on my screen to time return, casting a beacon near a spider claimed by the enemy (to strengthen it and waste their resources), trolling superbeacons to waste enemy resources (jumping in via bc list and dodging via cv), precision structure placement to maximise use of the spirit grid for hunting, using a chat alt to bump old statuses.
I recently learned what blastwarping is and have started to use it just when it was put into question as to whether it is legitimate. I do not understand how to distance harvest nor crashwsrp but do not intend to use these techniques as they clearly do not rely on skill as much as a failure of the game application to function as intended.
As far as getting the most out of existing, functioning game physics - I will continue to do so just like thousands of other seasoned players who have spent the hours to build skill in this environment.
I have never and will never have the intention of violating Terms of Service. I am a paying customer who buys mana when I can afford the luxury expense. I have invested well over $200 into my realms. Bottom line here: after all the money and hours spent learning and earning WITH PROPER ETHICAL INTENT, I will not tolerate a decision to disallow me game play fRom banning for a perceived violation based on the developers' own creation. If they don't like us learning and using these virtual skills, then the duty clearly becomes GA's responsibility to change the virtual physics rather than ban an enterprising customer.
Edited by FeRaLcHiLdE2 (June 11, 2012 15:54:24)